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  URGENT WORLDWIDE HELP FOR SILENTLAMBS

  by Nowfree in

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  help is needed from everybody worldwide to assist in a mail distribution in support of silentlambs.

  please email

  or anglise .

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  Local jw youths 'dropping like flies'

  by jack2 in

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  the local count of disfellowshipings and reproofs, just from what i personally have heard, in recent months - 7 df'd , 2 public reproofs.

  and this is just from what i have heard.

  all involve persons around age 21 and younger.. .

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  nancee park

  Too, what does the WTS do for the teens and children?

  For that matter what does it do to serve the very elderly?

  It tells everybody that they as "individuals" can do nice things like hold a get-together for the youth or go by and mow the yard of someone in their 90s, but it itself does zilch.

  Of course the UN affiliation and pedophile coverups scandals also cause the youth to quit.
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  Demons

  by disneycuty in

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  i have a question: as you all know jehovah's witnesses view crystal ball, physics, as demonized or anything that is not suppose to be in the house like tarot cards.

  and jehovah's witness believe that the demons would bother them if they do these activities or have them in the house.

  do you still believe that or do you think it is the society's way of mind control over their members?

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  nancee park

  When JW elders find out you have non-Watchtower literature they themselves sometimes begin harassing you. Any odd, strange, weird happenings that ensue are logically not from demon spirit beings but from the elders directly or indirectly. Reports of "demons, demonization" and the like have alluded to voice, noise and physical manifestations that can much better explained by remote control activation of sound and voice transmitters, wiretapping and the like by men fearful of losing power, or in congregations hiding pedophilia and other dark secrets, of going to prison. Bethelites and exBethelites have sometimes reported seeing a picture or holographic projection of a "demon" man. This sort of conduct is typical of cults.

  Most JWs are not subjected to such harassment but since Henschel took office it has been reported much more frequently. Those who mention it to other JWs are immediately suspected by them of being mentally diseased or apostates, therefore instantly discredited. It is good if you encounter this yourself to buy one of those small sound-activated casette recorders that record only when there is noise of some sort and search for any of the small devices.

  The actual devices can vary in appearance. Sometimes they are obvious pieces of plastic, other times more like a piece of brown leaf or fibrous like hair, and are totally innocuous except that somewhere within is a very very tiny FM transmitter type device. If you turn the items in to the police they may also think you are nuts and may not have the necessary patience to explore them to ascertain that inside such mundane seeming things are actual miniature transmitters.

  You may thus be thought a mental case except that you can point to posts such as I am making here to indicate that this has precedent. What may be helpful is to search for the micro-devices, some as tiny as one-sixteenth inch square, on bedding or in carpet, near door entrance, TV, radio or occasionally on lawn or in car by hand or more quickly vacuum the area. A further difficulty is that even if authorities find that there is a noise making component in one of these tiny devices, it is still hard for them, you or anyone to definitely establish where whom the noise or even voice is transmitted, which can sometimes be miles away.

  Even more common, though, is wiretapping which has been done by lawbreakers using hook-switch by-pass. This is where you get a call, the person says little or nothing then you hang up. But while they had you on line they threw a switch which caused the line connection to continue even after you hung up. Thus, even while your phone is down on the holding unit the wire is still live and transmitting whatever is said near it back to the listener. Beyond this, they also have recourse to infinity mikes and the like.

  Obviously such criminally used devices have to be placed in your house or apartment as when elders or their pals come to visit or enter uninvited when you are gone. Thus check that windows and doors are locked or barricaded. Use the anonymity of the internet to post an account of such violations of personal privacy. I suspect in time enough people will do so and even email to fbi.org etc that authorities will take such allegations seriously. After all, what they do to private citizens can also be done to public officials including other those in other countries.

  Right now most JWs and exJWs scorn, deride and thus re-victimize victims of such privacy invasions just as formerly most did regarding those who had been sexually assaulted by JW elders and ministerial servants. Only by your speaking up and being made fun of though will the pattern eventually be seen and determined credible. This discussion board makes anonymity and speaking out relatively easy, though again expect ridicule.

  The JW apologists who profess to be and indeed may be exJWs will sometimes write "it's kooks like you who give us real apostates a bad name," or "I'm a fourth generation JW and never heard of such a thing." Take heart, though, for they did the same with pedophile victims too, and time will tell. It is true too that even as high up as the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses not all elders know about the "darker side" or policing activities of the Watchtower Society.

  For example Ray Franz has written of elders spying from behind bushes on a JWs house until he snuck up behind them and took a picture of them, using camcording exJWs observing the memorial at a private apartment in Greece etc. Also Ray Franz found out that down in the basement permanent files of Judicial Committee records and the like are kept on JWs and exJWs even long after they have died. Local elders are to destroy such records locally, although they do not always do so, but the Watchtower Society itself keeps permanent copies.

  So Ray had not known of these things until he stumbled across them and logically other Governing Body members also did not and now also do not know of those things. So even at the top rungs of the ladder all things are not told. Too bad for some Governing Body members and rank-and-filers would be upset and demand the darkness cease if they did know about it.

  These days the Watchtower Society top-down is on their highest ever "it's the Last Days!" or "Armageddon is upon us!!" alert. There are fanatics in any organization that has money and fears losing it along with face and power, and being a billion dollars category organization the Watchtower Society is no exception.

  Such insane activities by fanatics are often accompanied by words or expressions like "Yeah, that's Jehovah's holy spirit in action!", "the congregation is being cleansed, refined, sifted, disciplining," "the CO and DO selected the congregation as a Host Congregation" as in not just hosting as in hospitality but as in "Jehovah of Hosts or Armies," or "it was an instance as with Saul of Jehovah's evil spirit coming into play."

  Let us do all we can to continue battling against the tyranny of those who criminally help pedophiles and seek to persecute those victims and their family members or friends who are courageous enough to speak up. And let us also expose their efforts to criminally discredit their critics. Our voices are strong and will get stronger and heard all the better despite such violations of ethics.

  To Ted Jarasch, Milt Henschel and the rest, are you listening?

  Edited by - nancee park on 3 August 2002 16:6:36
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  It is IMPOSSIBLE to Abstain from Blood

  by professor in

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  it is impossible to abstain from blood and live!

  the watchtower society's unusual interpretation of abstaining from blood to include human blood transfusion has several major flaws.

  we can't abstain from blood.

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  nancee park

  Also note, I Samuel 14:32-4 says Saul's whole army ate unBLED meat to not starve to death and they were not killed by Jehovah for doing what normally would, outside of emergencies, have incurred the death penalty. Similarly in Matthew 12 Christ pointed out David and his men ate temple holy bread to stay alive but were forgiven due to this being a life-and-death situation; at verse 7 Christ says "God wants mercy not sacrifice." Jehovah has arranged that most normal identical twins transfuse blood back and forth to each other's shared placenta. So Jehovah Himself is kind and reasonable and those who bring reproach on His name by having people including children bleed to death will be judged by Him.
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  CJD transfusion risk 'underestimated'

  by Jools j in

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  http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2169663.stm .

  just read this sorry if it's already been posted.. could this be used by those with power within the jws to cite against blood transfusions?

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  nancee park

  When there is massive bleeding the bigger risk is bleeding to death which is also most immediate. I Samuel 14:32-4 says Saul's whole army ate unBLED meat to not starve to death and they were not killed by Jehovah for doing what normally would, outside of emergencies, have incurred the death penalty. Similarly in Matthew 12 Christ pointed out David and his men ate temple holy bread to stay alive but were forgiven due to this being a life-and-death situation; at verse 7 Christ says "God wants mercy not sacrifice." Jehovah has arranged that most normal identical twins transfuse blood back and forth to each other through a shared placenta.

  Edited by - nancee park on 3 August 2002 15:11:55
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  JW's In The NEWS

  by proplog2 in

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  court ruling again places jehovah's witnesses as 'patriotic citizens' by shawn francis peters

  last updated: july 20, 2002

  the u.s. supreme court ruled last month that an ohio village could not require religious proselytizers and political canvassers to obtain a municipal permit before they took to the streets.. in an 8-1 decision, in the case of watchtower bible and tract society vs. village of stratton, the high court held that applying the village's licensing ordinance to such activities violated constitutional protections of free speech.. the most curious aspect of the supreme court's ruling in stratton was a brief concurring opinion authored by justice antonin scalia.

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  nancee park

  In WWII German JWs suffered terribly after their branch head Erich Frost sold them all out, telling Gestapo who and where they were, and Brooklyn also ignored their plight and after WWII re-appointed Frost. Many nice rank-and-filers but sold out by the misleadership.
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  JW retreat in Maine?

  by Dogpatch in

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  has anyone heard of a jw retreat being built in maine on an island?

  i received this email:.

  i am a christian minister living on a small island off from maine callled swan's island, maine.we have found out last evening at church that the j.w.

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  nancee park

  The Hawaiian one is called an "educational" center. The place in Maine may be a real "retreat" of some sort. Who knows more?

  Watchtower Bible & Tract Society of New York, Inc.
  2055 Kamehameha IV Road
  Honolulu, Hawaii 96819
  Phone: (808) 842-1100A multi-national, nonprofit Bible educational group, the Watchtower will use its new 53,000-square-foot building at MTP for its Watchtower Educational Center - Pacific. The educational center will be comprised of four conference rooms and one auditorium equipped with multimedia audio/visual equipment with multi-language capabilities to accommodate conferences, seminars and training classes.
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  A 'cult start up course' in the mi...

  by Larry in

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  as i was reading " beyond mormonism: an elder's story" by james spencer(www.mazeministry.com/resources/books/beyondtext/aacontents.htm) i couldnt help notice the blazing similarities between the mormon and jws.

  i was just wondering, was there a cult start up course in the mid 1800's, b/c it seems that many cults used the same rhetoric and techniques.

  i know there were many mormon/jw comparisons posted already, so ill just add my two cents.

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  nancee park

  Both had Masonic influence since Smith had been a Mormon and Russell's father and father-in-law were both Masons. Whether Russell was a Mason himself has been debated pro- and con many times, but their influence on him was definite.
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  I wonder about the people in these congregations

  by Sadie5 in

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  that bill, barb& joe and the pandello attended.

  i know they are all separate congregations in different areas.

  but are all these people just sitting back watching this happen?

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  nancee park

  The problem is the WTS won't tell them what's going on. Happily if you mail them the news, despite

  all the preaching to not do so, they are still curious just as you and I are and most all do read

  whatever you send them. Send them the information with a note at the end asking that they

  make and mail copies of it too and some will. Address it "To The Congregation" and then the

  elders will be given a copy and have to assume everyone in their hall got one to and start whining

  about not reading apostate letters, and that will make those who get it all the more curious.

  Even if you just sent "Hi, JW friends! Read http:www.silentlambs.org right now on the

  internet, some would benefit. Or point them to the Newsweek article or this or another website.
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  More Reverse Cleansing

  by metatron in

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  the organization now:.

  protects child molesters (who usually can't be 'changed').

  persecutes witnesses who complain about child molesters.. amazing!

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  They think this protects their butts from prison and the organization's money. In the end it will cost more than if they had simply reformed. To say nothing of the reproach it brings on God's name and the good people that are deceived.